Death by Diet?

Something powerful is shifting in healthcare—and it's coming from your kitchen.

This week on the podcast, I sit down with Dr. Ray Wisniewski, a chiropractor turned wellness tech pioneer, who built one of the nation’s largest solo practices and then turned his gaze toward transforming how practitioners prescribe food.

He created FoodPharmacy™, a hyper-personalized nutrition system that does the heavy lifting for you—translating labs, symptoms, and lifestyle into precise food protocols that truly nourish.

No more guesswork.
No more “generic wellness.”
Just science-backed, Spirit-aligned food therapy—made easy.

We talk about:

• Why diet is the #1 cause of preventable death
• How food can amplify or undermine any therapy
• What it means to honor the body’s design with modern tools

If you’re a physician, coach, or curious soul walking the healing path… this one’s for you.

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Death by Diet? 

Mary Louder, DO - 00:00
Just imagine this as a patient.
You want to know what can I do to help myself?
What foods can help me and make me feel better and don't sabotage what I'm trying to do.
I'm Dr. Mary Louder, and welcome to my podcast show.
The thing is that physicians want to know this too, and what are the best foods that we can advise our patients to eat, given their diagnosis, genomic needs, and their unique path to wellness.
We want not only to have a food that helps one condition, but we don't want it to sabotage another.
So the understanding of how food cross-interference and generic advice is absolutely causes us to fail.

Mary Louder, DO - 00:40
And we fail in giving good advice, and we fail in being able to follow good advice.
We do follow, however, some advice that seems good at the time, but that often fails us as well.
So this is why forward-thinking providers, such as our guest today, Dr. Ray Woosnusky, who's a seasoned chiropractor, has a championed the evidence-based wellness approach, combining technology with nutrition to solve this problem.
You're going to enjoy this conversation.
So welcome to the Dr. Mary Lauder Show, Dr. Ray Woosnusky.
Great. Well, welcome Dr. Ray to the Dr. Mary Louder podcast, and you are in Pennsylvania, and I'm in Michigan.

Mary Louder, DO - 01:20
So it's wonderful that we can meet online here and have this conversation about the importance of nutrition.
I took something right from your website, and that's actually going to be the title, is that the number one preventable disease.
or the number one preventable treatment is diet.
And it's also like the number one preventable killer.
And I'm like, okay, so that's a mouthful.

Mary Louder, DO - 01:48
But before we get into that topic, share with me how this became a passion for you and a little bit of your journey to get to where you're doing what you're doing.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 01:58
Well, I started off, I'm a chiropractor.
And as a chiropractor, The one thing, and I, and when I was in pre-med, I wanted to go to medical school, be a doctor, I was, and I injured myself, and one of my classmates had gone to chiropractic college, he just, he had just started, he says, you have to go see a chiropractor, I saw a
chiropractor, and I bought it hook, line, and sinker, the philosophy that the we're created with this amazing power that knows how to run everything.
So there's this innate intelligence within the body that knows how to run your heart, your liver, your kidneys, your spleen, everything.
And we don't have to think about it.
It just knows how to do it.
And so I immediately I said, I came home, I remember it so well, I told my parents, I said, I said, I'm doing this.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 02:50
And they weren't really happy to tell you the truth about it.
My dad went to the school with me.
And, and, being driving out to Iowa, which is where I went from Pittsburgh.
I got to, by time we got there and back, I talked my dad into this is what I wanted to do, and he was good with it.
And I just noticed over the, over time, you know, we, it's all about trying to optimize the body, eliminate interference to the body, but it's different today than it was 40 years ago, and it just keeps getting worse.
And what I mean by that is, you know, because of the fact that the environmental factors are food, the pollution, the increased amount of prescription drugs.
It just seemed like it was all about really interfering with the body.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 03:44
And I wanted to optimize those metabolic pathways.
And so started delving more and more into nutrition and how important food was.
into affecting these metabolic pathways.
And over time, and I started to do seminars on this lecture to health professionals all over the country.
And it was here, well, you know that, but I don't know that.
Like, how do I learn that?
Everybody wanted to learn it sort of almost instantly.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 04:15
It's like you take a lifetime of knowledge and it's not that easy to distill like that.
And that's one of the reasons we created Food Pharmacy and created our, we call our weight loss and wellness intelligence analysis, which is a basically, it's almost like a looking at different factors and saying, how do those factors, how do we put those together into what's going to help the body and to overcome this?
And the reality of it is that there's just so many factors that interfere with our metabolic pathways.
And so that's how I came to do that.

Mary Louder, DO - 04:57
Yeah, and you're right, there's, you know, it's a lifelong learning and then to distill it down and to turn around and teach it.
It's like, how do you do that?
That's just super challenging.
So the fact that you took that into technology I think is really the key because you've got, you know, hundreds of biochemical pathways.
I mean, methylation alone affects over 300 pathways in the body, right?
And everybody's a

Mary Louder, DO - 05:24
methylator and everybody has a problem with methylation.
And it's the one, but it's not the one gene.
In my practice, I do and use genomics and nutrigenomics.
And so we look at that, but underneath that, then we apply the biochemistry and the metabolism, right?
To their phenome, which is the expression of their gene.
And sometimes it's just the flat genome.
What's the gene going to do?

Mary Louder, DO - 05:49
What's that message?
Sometimes it's the depth of expression of that message, too.
And what you're describing is how the biochemistry can be affected.
And I would venture to say, you know, one of the things on your website, too, and we hear all the time is let food be thy medicine and thy medicine be food.
That was Hippocrates, right?
Or some variation on the theme, he said.
But I doubt Hippocrates... envision the industrial revolution of food, you know.

Mary Louder, DO - 06:23
And I think it was probably safe in Hippocrates days to eat the food, more so than here, perhaps.
And they certainly didn't have the types of chemicals, the genetic modifications and the pesticides that have been applied to things.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 06:44
Absolutely.

Mary Louder, DO - 06:45
And talk a little bit about how, you know, some of your undergirding knowledge about how that impacts biochemistry in ways we might not even be aware.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 06:58
Well, you know, it's interesting, you talked about the food industry and big food, which is, and there's been companies whose job has been to basically make, to engineer food.
You know, we talk about the engineering, the, you know, the one company, I'm not even sure if they're still run the Sonomics.
They did a food companies would submit their food to them and they would combine different chemicals And they used H-E-K, which comes from my kidney cells to replicate the firing of neurons on taste buds and to create a chemistry that would allow you to, would help you eat more food, that would help
you desire that food.
But what that does is, so now we tend to overeat, but it doesn't just do that.
It actually breaks metabolic pathways.
And so they're engineering food to break metabolic pathways so that, and it wasn't the purpose to break the pathway, the purpose was for you to desire to eat that food.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 08:09
And because of the fact it's big business, you know, big food is big business.
But that has had a profound effect on our bodies.
You know, the same way as, and it's in so many ways that we look at it.
You know, with weight loss, they would look at, take out the calories and replace it with chemicals.
And again, you're breaking the metabolism when you do that.
You're breaking these metabolic pathways.
The way that we farm, the way that we, you know, they're putting in, you know, like BT corn and stuff like that, to make it resistant to these different organisms that eat corn, for instance, with the corn, that they won't eat it, but now we feed it to humans.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 08:56
And they say, well, it contains these chemicals.
And in this case, it actually is a bacteria that's a gene within the corn.
that it doesn't harm us well i don't believe that you know and that's where that the that our bodies were designed to take in foods that were once living that were that has dna plants and animals and the more you get away from that uh you know you have foods by man and foods by nature know and
that and that that's where the challenge comes if you have fake foods you're going to end up having fake health it's going to break the body's metabolism.
And so one of the things that you have to do is once you break that metabolism, then there's a lot of things that you need to do to try to restore that, to re-establish that normal metabolism.
So there's foods that are support a certain pathway, certain organs.
There's lifestyle modifications, whether it be to re-establish your circadian rhythm, whether it be to get the sunshine and the proper light for your mitochondria, the water that you drink.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 10:13
You know, it all goes together.
It's not just one thing.
But what it is, is that it's respecting the fact that there is this innate intelligence within the body that knows how to run that body, and your body will always do better if you can eliminate the interferences that you're creating with that, you know, modify your lifestyle and give it the proper
fuel that it needs, the proper food.
You know, any challenge that you come across, there are foods that can help that, and there's foods that are going to possibly harm that challenge.
And the wrong diet is going to undermine any type of challenge, any type of therapy that you're doing.
So a lot of people are sabotaging, you know, the therapy that they're doing.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 11:09
And I don't care what therapy it is.
I don't know whether, you know, if someone's doing a certain a medical therapy or a functional medicine, or they're doing other natural nutritional therapy.
If you are eating the wrong foods, you are undermining what you're doing.
That's true.
And you see that so often, you know, just there'll be, they, and a lot of people, the thing about the patient, you know, they, and I won't even just say the patients, a lot of times it's the doctors as well.
They'll tell a patient what to eat, but they don't realize they may have other underlying conditions, there might be cross-interferences with that.
And that really becomes the challenge, because it's easy if you're you know, you have a condition, you know, gout, and they say, oh, go on a pure and restricted diet, but it's so much more than that, because it's, know, it's increasing the excretion of uric acid, the purines are already made from

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 12:08
the breakdown on the liver to create that in the uric acid, there's, and there's other factors, and if you have other challenges that would then modify that, and that's where it really comes into play with our, with food pharmacy.
So I started to really delve into this and create.
It would take a long time to create different nutritional plans.
And then when we create, well, we find out there's certain things we had to do.
And we're able to use now technology to help us with this take from hours down to a minute.
You select the different items and you're able to do that.
But it really comes down to Just giving the body what it needs, giving it the fuel.

Mary Louder, DO - 12:59
Yeah, you know, so you say taking that, you know, creating a diet plan, because when people ask me for that, I mean, I'm not trained for that.
I mean, I got the most nutrition I got was undergraduate and graduate school, not medical school, right?
And I did a lot, I did two semesters of pharmacology, however, in medical school, right?
And so, and I have taken from that what I absolutely need to know to manage my patient population.
I couldn't tell you about a cancer drug now, the mechanism of action or some of the more anti-arrhythmics or things like that in cardiology because we refer people.
So even within that, even though I'm specialized in family medicine and I manage lots of medicines, there's still a handful that I've nailed and I know exactly what to do with.
And we have good results.

Mary Louder, DO - 13:56
But at the same time, using those medications also depletes nutrients out of the body.
Because when the medications go through the pathways and are utilized, they require co-factors or what we might call ingredients.
All right, if you get a recipe, the co-factors might be your, you know, baking powder, baking soda.
So it's not huge amounts, but you're gonna need some vitamin C, you're gonna need some glutathione, you're gonna need some B12 for those medications to work.
and clear through the liver, through the pathways, the three different basic pathways of the cytochrome P450, and then phase two, and then phase three, the removal of those toxins.
All that's nutritionally driven.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 14:45
Absolutely.

Mary Louder, DO - 14:47
And so it becomes way more complex than, hey, there's a keto, I'm going to jump on that wagon or hey, let's, you know, let's, you know, let's do intermittent fasting.
And, you know, so how do you take that for the person with your technology to figure out what's best for them?

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 15:09
And you're exactly right.
What you said is exactly when you're looking at like liver detoxification and all these different factors and you're seeing.
So the program itself will, like, we'll hit certain challenges within that.
And then it will basically, it looks at the cross-references of what organs, what organs need supported.
We're looking at vitamins, minerals, essential fatty acids, amino acids, how it relates to your hormones, your neurotransmitters, your metabolic pathways.
to create that profile.
That profile is then put against the database of foods, and then we'll create a personalized food list.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 15:48
And it's hyper-personized to each individual.
So that food list is then just broken down into four categories.
So we have preferred foods, and it's just sort of color-coded.
The preferred foods are green.
neutral foods or just black type, regular type italics is cautionary, which means it may have a slight negative impact, but you can still have it just know that not as much.
And then the avoid foods.
So that gives you that list.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 16:19
Now, once you have that, then as a practitioner, we work with them.
And, you know, a lot of times people will look and they'll They don't know exactly like what does, so what does that mean?
The first thing you do is you look and you say, hey, with your challenge, are you eating, are there any of the foods in the avoid list that you eat regularly, which is undermining what you're doing?
So that probably is one of the biggest effects.
And it's not to say that you can never have that food.
It just means that it gives you knowledge that says, okay, with that knowledge, I want to limit that more.
And then are there foods in the preferred foods, they're going to help that, help heal, whether it be various receptors or give it the nutrients that it needs to heal or to go along those different pathways.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 17:13
Like you were talking about the methylation pathways and the B vitamins, for instance.
Sometimes you're going to decrease, sometimes increase or you may want to increase tyrosine or decrease it with like a comtee with a, you know, polymorphisms.
So these are, you're able to do that with this technology by just hitting a couple of you just click a few things in the nice thing about it is that it can be used by a novice beginner that's never had any nutrition experience just by hitting what the health, what the challenges are.
It can be used by an advanced practitioner that wants to get really into the nitty-gritty and select individually, like I want to increase this vitamin or manganese or decrease copper, like whatever it is.
There's also, we've included everything from Ayurvedic medicine, like the different Tridoshas, the body types, traditional Chinese medicine, endocrine types, metabolic or body types.
There's, and yet, Even if you're the most advanced, when you start to try to tweak this, what ends up happening is a lot of times you come up with pretty close to what out of the box because that's what it's looking at.
You say, well, I know that I need to increase this vitamin or I need to decrease this condition.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 18:41
Well, that's what the program already does.
So I say that out of the box, it's pretty much exactly where it should be.
And then the nice thing is that even a practitioner can modify it slightly because as you know, there's a lot of different thought processes in nutrition where one person may believe that, hey, you should never have this type of an oil, for instance, or you should have more of this.
And you can go in and change it for certain conditions.
You could do it across the board and say, modify my algorithms based on this.
And that's really the power of this.
It's really just giving knowledge.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 19:25
And then it also has, it prints out lifestyle modifications that are known for each of those conditions that you select.
And it will also tell that in general, this is what should be increased.
This is what should be decreased.
And then it gives references.
There's about 1,500 references.
No reference for each different condition.
They'll put those on the... the references of why.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 19:52
And the nice thing about it is that a practitioner, you know, the one thing I love about my philosophy is I look at everything from a deductive standpoint where you come up with a major premise, like one of my premises that you're always better off with foods in nature than man-made foods.
That allows you to, whereas so often in research, we also, which tends to use inductive reasoning, which you do a study, you come up with the, and that's how you end up with replacing certain fats with like margarine, and then we find out that, wait a second, more studies and more information says,
we were wrong.
And so we have to modify that.
And so there's... So there's stuff that'll come out over time and things, but the reality of it is, what you'll find out with the program, it tends to be pretty much right on over time.
But we're looking at the Whole Foods because the fact it has the synergistic co-factors, the active transporters that support all that.

Mary Louder, DO - 21:04
Yeah, I think that's a really good point.
And I thought it was interesting how in that technology, you came full circle back to whole foods that were healthy for some of those known conditions.
which some of that is older science, to be honest.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 21:19
Yes.

Mary Louder, DO - 21:20
And some of that, I mean, we're talking like science out of the 50s and 60s before it industrialized.
And maybe even go back to Hippocrates, maybe it would catch up, you know, way back, way back there with what Hippocrates was thinking.
Because there's certain, and certainly in the Ayurvedic traditions as well, how those foods are put together relative to your dosha's and as well, and then Chinese medicine as well.
And so, you know, we're leaning on the ancient wisdom, bringing it through the industrial revelation, not revelation, that was a Freudian slip, industrial revolution, back to whole foods again.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 22:04
Exactly.

Mary Louder, DO - 22:05
So I think that's fascinating.
And also the nitty gritty part was fascinating because when we, when I work with neutral genomic specialists, they literally split genes.
I'm not kidding.
And I, you know, and I, you know, it's like, okay, fine, but that's still not going to change much because the body has all these what I call forgiveness mechanisms, right?
All these adaptations.
And, you know, we can't, we don't necessarily have to be that precise because if we did, and because we aren't, we all be dead now, right?

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 22:40
So, you know, you were so right on that.
I can't even talk because, you know, you can take a, and that's the whole thing with the epigenetics, because you can have the gene and say, but it's not turned on, or it's not turned on, and it's like, but certain triggers.
And that's why a person can go through their life.
And then all of a sudden, boom, they have something.
It wasn't turned on, then something triggered it and turned that on.
And so you can use these foods to help bring that back.
And you know, we all hear of different foods that will help a challenge or harm it.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 23:15
You know, if you have an eczema and you know that, you know, that like salmon or sweet potatoes or, you know, coconut oil is going to help it.
Yet you have things that can harm that, you know, dairy, eggs and peanuts and wheat and there's a, there's, so the program puts that together.
And we've really noticed this with, I started using it with weight loss.
We've, we had a weight loss, we started with a weight loss program.
And, you know, even weight loss, you take a look at back, pictures of people back in the 50s, and they look, you know, there's so much thinner than you are today.
And it's like, what happened?
And it's, it's our quality of food, even if you have, you know, like the wheat that we eat today isn't the wheat that there was years back.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 24:08
So it's, exactly.
And no wonder we have so many issues with that.
So there's, and with the, and then with all the chemicals that they put into this food, then you mix in the other environmental factors, and you really have a challenge.
So once you start working with food and using having basically I say it's a food prescription where you can use your food to help change and transform that body.
And it's really the studies, and you had talked about it before with the liver and the protein mix that the Food can have a faster effect on metabolic pathways than even medications, which is, you know, it seems hard to believe.

Mary Louder, DO - 24:56
I know, when I saw that article, I was like, boom, I could not believe that.
And let's touch on that for just a minute.
So it's an article that we'll listen to references.
And I, you know, yeah, you can read it, but I mean, let us just paraphrase it for you because it's pretty technical.
But basically, you know, the article was saying going into the proteomics, which has to do with how the proteins are used in the liver.
That's metabolism and synthesis in the liver.
And I've got notes here even.

Mary Louder, DO - 25:23
So the liver is the primary organ.
The primary organ that responds to nutrition and regulate systemic homeostasis of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins.
That's the macromolecules.
That's the food we eat.
So the variation in energy intake is dealt with by regulating the mobilization and synthesis of energy stores from the liver.
and the rate of production of energy substrates, which is ATP and NAD, which goes back to the mitochondria within the liver.
So if we were going to do deep upstream repair, it needs to be in the liver, it needs to be with basic foods, and it needs to be understanding their pathways in phase one, two, and three, and healing and optimizing, repairing, replenishing, and supporting those pathways, the rest will fall in line.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 26:19
Right.

Mary Louder, DO - 26:20
I mean, am I missing something here?

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 26:22
No, that is so powerful.
And what it's saying basically is that the food had more had such a powerful effect on how this completely works.
And so when you start to deal with it like this and you start to balance these pathways.
then people go more towards you start optimizing on a on a molecular cellular and a metabolic perspective so you're looking at the from a molecular perspective with the mitochondria and the way that the ATP and the cell energy and you're going all the way up through the body and that's
what that's what gives it such a profound effect and you're moving and when the body's optimal it moves more towards the leanness it moves more towards You know, we always said that there's that old adage that darkness is the absence of light and that disease is the absence of health, the absence of life in the body.
And it's, you know, people keep trying to fight the disease, which would be like fighting the darkness.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 27:29
You just got to, you got to try to get, become more healthy.
And that's what our whole effect has been.

Mary Louder, DO - 27:36
Yeah.
And one of the best things in this article stated that you could do is caloric restriction as the main nutritional intervention that delays aging causes extensive integrative reprogramming of the liver metabolism.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 27:55
Absolutely.

Mary Louder, DO - 27:56
I thought, okay, that literally just simplified everything.
And, you know, and what I know for sure is to get something too simple means it's complex, wound up, and then unwound again.
So it is not easy, but it is simplified.
I, you know, I think, you know, the other thing that I, you know, that comes into play with the nutrition and foods is the supplementation.
And, you know, I use supplements.
I have my names on some supplements.
I've created some formulations.

Mary Louder, DO - 28:39
But I also understand the definition of the word.
It supplements that which we're doing.
It doesn't replace a medication because that's the same paradigm.
Okay, don't use metformin, don't use that medication, instead use berberine.
That's not a new paradigm.
That's not a different paradigm.
You're just changing out products.

Mary Louder, DO - 29:03
That's all you're doing.
And both of those, interestingly, suppress the liver metabolism of proteins, carbohydrates.
And I'm like, that's not what the studies show about the mechanism of action exactly.
And it took an independent study.
It took looking at the biochemistry differently.
And then you think of folks who have not as efficient in phase two.
of liver with, you know, glucuronidation, with methylation, with ubiquination, those different pathways there that we've got, and so they get more oxidative stress, so then they do high protein, which increases the oxidative stress.

Mary Louder, DO - 29:53
Right.
And all these things, honestly, all these things seem like a good idea at the time.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 29:59
Yes.

Mary Louder, DO - 30:00
And so... you know looking at how you've brought the technology and I'm assuming some artificial intelligence to this takes the guessing out more than I've ever seen with any other type of program

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 30:18
Correct that's how that's how it works and it's -- that and by doing that it empowers that patient and it gives you And, you know, like anything else, someone asked me, is it always 100% correct?
And it's like, well, people are different.
Everybody's different.
So you have a starting point.
And if somebody eats something, and it says that, you know, it should, we know that this should help this tremendously.
And if it... doesn't , you don't go with that you know what I mean you can you can still tweak that and you still use your modifications but the thing is when you're using whole foods when you're using that have all the synergistic co-factors and the active transporters already in it, the enzymes
already in it, they're designed to be utilized by the body.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 31:09
And there's gonna be substances in that food that we don't even know about today.
You know, years from now, maybe it could be a week from today that say, hey, someone makes a discovery that, oh, we should be eating this.
And so many foods that, you know, it used to be, I remember at one point where people would say or mushrooms have really no nutrient value type of a thing and it's like they are loaded they are hugely loaded yes but you know if you go back into like new old nutrition text and you see that they treat
it like it was a almost like a nothing and it's amazing how things change and transform but But then you go back into ancient Chinese text and you see what they how they used medicinal mushrooms for purposes.
And by the way, know, that's how it used to be within Chinese medicine.
You'd go in and they'd give you a prescription for a food that would be to help you and it's amazing how things are sort of going full circle now.
And by the way, and you know this, so often a person will go to their physician and they'll tell them, okay, the one thing is they say, okay, well, there's not a whole lot we can do it, we just have to monitor it now.

Mary Louder, DO - 32:29
Oh, yeah, totally.
And the person's Right.
It's like, what can I do to help myself?

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 32:34
Right.
And it's, and I can't believe how many times I hear that they've gone somewhere and they just told them to basically wait.

Mary Louder, DO - 32:42
For what?
The other shoe to drop.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 32:45
Right.
Because whatever created it, it's still there and it's going in that direction.
We're in the wrong direction.

Mary Louder, DO - 32:51
Right.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 32:51
And we need to stop that and reverse that.
and do the things that are going to support the body to heal.
And the body, that's the thing, the body has such an amazing innate healing ability.
You know, and I tell people that it's always replacing cells.
You know, if you cut your arm, you can sew a patch, put an antibiotic, and you do anything.
The only thing it heals is when your body creates new cells, new life, and it's always doing that, whether it be your heart, your liver, your kidneys, you're able to take out the bad, you know, your body has autophagy to take out bad cells and organelles and replace it with good healthy cells, but
you have to give it the fuel, you have to give it the supplies.

Mary Louder, DO - 33:35
Right.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 33:35
And that's what this is all about.
And it's not just, you know, those, the building blocks of the macronutrients, it's really those compounds.
It's, we now know so much more about the various, you know, whether it be it neurotransmitters and the different components that make up these pathways.

Mary Louder, DO - 33:56
Yes.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 33:57
And it's, you know, and even to that point, you can look at it and it's, we have this precise mechanism, but the body already knows exactly how to do it.
All we need to do is figure out the foods that are gonna help it and give it to it, and then it's gonna be able to do it.
And that's really the key.

Mary Louder, DO - 34:16
Yeah, that's really, really neat.
So with, you know, you talk about one concept that you've highlighted called cross-interference.
Have we covered that today?

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 34:26
No, so, and cross-interference is a very simple but profound, and it's really the missing puzzle to some extent, because, you know, we all know about it, and what that is, is you can have a... you know, let's say, let's say, um, strawberries could be great for tons of different things, but you have,
if you're allergic to them, you better stay away from them.

Mary Louder, DO - 34:53
Or high histamine, high histamine also with strawberries, right?

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 34:56
Absolutely.

Mary Louder, DO - 34:57
Yeah.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 34:58
So you have, um, you have a food, it's, if you were just to say, okay, um, what foods are good for, and you can look up a food list for one condition.
Well, we, when we come in, when patients come into us, they're complex
individuals they're there it's never one challenge you know there's always there's always other things and the reason is because one thing affects something else and so and what happens is as time goes on if that's not corrected they tend to develop even more challenges because of the fact that
there are things that are affecting that well you can have a food for one condition that's great for it, but it could be bad, it could be negative for another condition.
And so that's cross-interference that you have to eliminate.
So basically you have to be able to take a look at these and say, is there any, is there anything that's going to, that may be that taking that I'm taking for this challenge that's actually hurting something else.
And if by hurting that you're taking the you're taking the body down, because you want everything has to be optimized.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 36:08
You want to optimize the body.
And when you start to optimize it, just everything starts to start to get better.
Now, I will say on the in the program, What you'll find is if you select like a ton of like, if you select have like, you know, someone comes in and says, I have 12 different things.
You're, because of the fact that you're always going to put a little bit, there's going to be more of a stronger weighting on negative foods than on positive foods that you end up creating a smaller list.
So you want to take a look at the top challenges.
and say, what are those challenges?
And you put those challenges in.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 36:52
And what happens is, is the body improves, it improves everything across the board.
It's not just because it's all interrelated.
We are interrelated beings and it's optimizing the body.
And so, but when you can eliminate cross interference, that is a, that's a huge, huge thing.
And a lot of times when they do studies, you know, we'll take something and we'll come up with a certain compound say within like sweet potatoes, which would just be the vitamin A for the most part, for like a, I was thinking with like an IBD or something like that.
But that could, you know, you're only looking at that one item and that one substance within that.
Well, there's other compounds within that.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 37:39
By the way, you know, it's an interesting thing with this.
You know, we always say, eat make sure you eat organic foods but if because and one of the reasons is they have more phytochemicals for instance right in the organics however If you're eating organics and you have a food, it's a negative food, a food that's going to cause more harm to a condition,
it'll actually cause even more harm because it has more of those compounds.
It's an interesting thing that you can actually go, it can actually make it accelerate it being worse, basically.
So a lot of times people think that, you know, as long as it's organic, as long as it's It's healthy.
That's not really true because we need certain things to support.
It has to be balanced.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 38:31
And because of things that we've done, we've broken.
pathways in some of those pathways, or we may even have some genes that we can't handle as much, you know, certain vitamins as well.
That's correct.
And so that's where that, that's where that all comes down to.
So now if you can't handle it as well, if you were to take a supplement, for instance, say one of the B vitamins for, you know, B12 for some of the different genetic challenges, like You know, I'm thinking like the MTHFR and those different variants of that.
You're going to create you can create a challenge where it makes it even more so.

Mary Louder, DO - 39:13
It does.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 39:14
That's where this really comes into play that so you can know the foods that are going to be the best for my body.
And that helps us with our weight loss program.
It helps us with our wellness programs.
And then if you do it with organics, you're just even making that much better and not causing any type of harm.

Mary Louder, DO - 39:38
So are you in your formulation of this in the AI and development--
I'm not trying to get behind the screen on this or behind the curtain--
Do you include the genomics though of an individual?

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 39:50
No, that's a very, very good question.
Yes and no.
And so what do I mean by that?
Well, the thing about the part that we, the part that we do not is like we have that you can make it so that it's very much so that we let me try to explain this.
It's included to the fact of every of each condition, but you can actually take on the genomics and the various polymorphisms.
We don't drill down into, you know, homozygous, wild, Calm tea, for instance, or yet somebody can, and I will tell you in my personal, so I am a customer and we have the, for, you can do, you can make custom conditions.
And the way you make a custom condition is that you're putting the foods that you know for those conditions.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 41:03
Well, I have the Nutrogenomics in mind, and you can see where they can be selected.
And the reason is, and I use a lot of stuff from people that I've known and worked like Ben Lynch that does a lot of the Nutrogenomics and the foods, and he uses our system.
He's used it that they... You can put in the foods that'll help and foods that won't.
And you can, if the person knows, if they've had their DNA testing, they can put those in their polymorphisms and get and even tweak it down even that much more.

Mary Louder, DO - 41:41
So you have the ability to do that.
Okay, I think that that's really important because thinking of, you know, I think I'm thinking where, first of all, I think I'm going to sign up.
So, I mean, I wasn't even, you know, but I thought, gosh, you know, this solves, when I'm looking at this from the physician side, this solves so many problems for the patient.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 42:06
Yes.

Mary Louder, DO - 42:07
And it solves so many problems for the physician or the provider because You know, I don't know, I can't, I've lost count of how many times I've explained the same thing over and over again, nutrition-wise.
And I, you know, it's, I, it is a frustration that a physician can have is that, that level of engagement by the patient.
And they say, oh, I'm really interested.
I really want to do this, but then sometimes when the rubber meets the road that's not exactly 100% accurate.
And it's not a blame.
It's a matter of engagement.
It's a matter of how do you get that?

Mary Louder, DO - 42:49
How do you develop that relationship?
And what's the urgency?
And there's so many things that go into that.
And medicine has never solved in the 40 years I've been around medicine has never solved the engagement issue.
So it's not, and it has never sparked anything inspiring in the doctor-patient relationship.
So this is not new, you know.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 43:13
You're right about that.

Mary Louder, DO - 43:15
And it's an age-old frustration.
But I have had patients do AI with their own, you know, their own chat GPT.
Yep.
And I looked at doing that with a... redacted report, number of redacted reports, and I realize what, and I use GPTs, I use, let's go into the AI world, I use, I have seven of my routinely used, and I have curated for over a year that I routinely do maintenance on and upgrade, like they're my own, you know, virtual staff.
And I am deep in that, and it's been, and people cannot tell the difference between AI and me when I use them.
Now, I don't plagiarize, I don't make them write things.

Mary Louder, DO - 44:05
I don't, I don't, and I will swear to that.
So that is not how I use but I use it to help me formulate things.
I'm thinking of this, I want to do that.
I've got this, but how can I say it better?
Here's my text, you know, all those types of things, and it's literally in my voice.
But then taking this data that keeps, that is so vast, the nutritional data, the genomic data, the biochemistry, the microbiology, the upgrades that we need to do.
I mean, that is hard to curate.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 44:43
Yes, it is.

Mary Louder, DO - 44:43
And for it to be accurate.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 44:46
AI, and I've tried to so off, if you just try to put these in and try to try to come up with a plant.
It really, it really has a hard time because it can't connect multiple challenges.

Mary Louder, DO - 45:01
It cannot.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 45:03
And it, it just really, I've tried so many times every time I knew to see what it does.
And they, none of them can do what this does, which is really crazy.
And the reason is you have to have, you have to have some other algorithms along with that and be able to bring that together.

Mary Louder, DO - 45:26
Yeah, and that becomes the non- artificial intelligence.
That becomes programmed intelligence.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 45:32
And see, our next thing we want to do is take this information and take it then to the AI where a person could easily just create their, using these foods, like what they like to eat and just have recipes and their meals sort of like made from all these meals fit perfect.

Mary Louder, DO - 45:51
That is a perfect use of AI.
Perfect use of AI.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 45:55
Yes.

Mary Louder, DO - 45:55
Yeah, exactly.
So I think, you know, we've got to wrap this up here, but what would be... I'm thinking of a parting key importance that you can leave us relative to what we're seeing in our food industry, in our medical system, in our healthcare, in the world of prevention.
What is the one important thing that you want to leave us with that we really need to know?

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 46:30
Well, I would say that the one thing is that I would just always remember that we have this power inside us that's our wildest ally, fiercer than any external thing that we could possibly do.
It's ready to regenerate when we feel it's fire.
And so we can, you know, ditch any of the fluff and garbage and just really embrace it to create a blueprint and commit to, I always say give yourself a 40-day commitment.
into the way that you eat to transform your life.
And if you're, you know, for the thing is, this will make the most dramatic difference that you'll, that you'll ever realize.
And people thank me for just, just remember, you know, we have an, there's an unbreakable magic inside us.
And that, that's the power that we have.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 47:30
And it's a, and it's the, it can take this the foods that we eat and when we understand and even just one simple change you know how that is it could be just and you just incremental changes you make one change and it could be you know whether it be getting the first morning sun i mean
there's just so many just little things it is one and then you build on that And it's the same way with our food.
And once you do that, you can move towards optimal wellness, optimal weight, optimal energy.
And it just transforms everything.
And that's, I tell anyone you can reach me at, so we have our weightlossdirect.com is my weight loss.
And that's really for anything.
It's just my practice.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 48:21
You can go through there.
And because we have different websites for, but that one is great.
And then the foodpharmacy.com.

Mary Louder, DO - 48:30
Okay, great.
And we will put those
references in the notes for the podcast as well and the link to your website.
So put the URL in.
So that should be great.
Well, thank you.

Mary Louder, DO - 48:40
I guess I'm going to have to end on this pun that you've given us a lot of food for thought.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 48:47
Okay, I love it. Thank you so much for having me on.
I just really enjoyed it.

Mary Louder, DO - 48:50
Yeah, you're welcome.
This was a great conversation.
And I really appreciate your time.
Thank you very, very much.

Dr. Ray Wisniewski - 48:57
Thank you.
Have a great day.